he really should be sitting down having lunches with john boehner, friendly lunches. that's what peggy noonan writes because they got to get a deal and they're growing further and further apart. it looks like we're about to sail over the cliff. you know what? rush limbaugh said yesterday that that is exactly what the democrats want to happen. >> welfare state, santa claus is what secures votes for them. the welfare state is what guarantees a permanent underclass, which they need. so we if over the cliff. it's a win. everybody's taxes go up. you need that revenue to pay for your welfare state. in addition, what else happens? you get cuts in the military! you don't think a democrat likes that? if -- believe me democrats can't wait for military cuts, defense cuts. my whole life that's the only thing they want to cut! here it is just waiting for them. it's already done. all we have to do is go over the cliff! >> steve: yep. >> gretchen: there is a lot of relevancy to that because who won the presidential election? president obama. he's holding the cards right now and if,